Haiku Chat 3 ~ The Old Woman
Date: July 4th 2006
Topic:
This
Photo Haiku
vineyards flow
into the empty sky ~
an old woman on
a summer pathway
[N] http://www.wonderhaikuworlds.com/haikufromphoto.php?image=97
[S] lovely
[S] delightful haiku
[N] it is an old one
[N] thank you
...
[N] is the "empty" before sky needed
[N] i felt it added rhythm and looked well in place
[S] yes it adds something
[S] a vastness too
[N] yes
[N] a seamless vastness was what came to me
[S] yes
[N] it almost rhymes !
[S] yes, twice
[S] flow ~ on
[S] sky ~ pathway
[N] yes
[N] vineyards flow ~ an old woman on a summer pathway into the empty sky
[N] another shuffled reading
[N] but the original is better
[S] surely
[N] but a haiku with an alternate reading is seen and appreciated by some !
[S] i see
[N] i am happy you found this haiku to your taste ~ i had a personal doubt
[S] yes in this case the alternate reading has a different feel
[S] Vineyards flow feels incomplete by itself
[N] The haiku has a sense of seasonal change and wabi-sabi with the solitary old woman ! "Old" and death related words are often used by some to create a wabi-sabi ~ but those words alone don't suffice ~ there must be a scenic
atmospheric necessity for the structure of the haiku and content
[N] in the structure
[N] Even the summer seems necessary ~ try reading without it ! and brings in the
essential kigo too.
[S] surely
[S] Here there is also a link between old woman and the unmade wine in the vineyard ~ since wine is a metaphor for aging
there is a symbolic air
[S] Old woman is intrinsically necessary
[N] Yes i did not notice it ! thank you for deeper reading ~ i realize i sensed it unconsciously i guess ! yes she is intrinsically necessary
[N] May be she is actually into making wines and related intimately to the vineyards
[S] true
[S] it's inevitable than an old woman should be walking in
this vineyard
[S] little girl or old man even doesn't offer the same
harmony
[N] yes true
[N] i insist one reads haiku loud to feel it well even its rhythm and hidden phonetical
nuances
[S] yes
[S] the original is also better in that sense than the shuffled reading
[S] the kireji feels more natural there
[N] it invokes "karumi" and "aware" too implicitly ~
[N] yes true
[S] i forget what karumi is ~ lightness ?
[N]
Karumi ~ lightness ~ In haikai and Haiku the beauty of ordinary things
[S] yes
[S] it does
[N] i did not realize before there was so much possibility in delving into the nuances of this haiku
[S] yes it is amazing
[N]
[N] so another chat for our haiku collection
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